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But then again there are systems that can fully switch and they still get frontstuck sometimes so it's not always about not understanding what host leaving front is like

Hi, can I Ask a few questions about wonderland? I still don't quite understand the concept of it, and how and if I should create one to be able to communicate or just spend time with a Tulpa?

Luminesce: A "wonderland" is just a consistent scene in your imagination, like a house or other environment you'd interact with your tulpa in (edited)

11:41 AM

It's not necessary to have and "having one" doesn't do anything special, it's just something that the majority of tulpamancers find useful/preferable

11:42 AM

For us, we didn't even have a wonderland for the first few years as I just visualized them in the space around my head, though my visualization clarity has always been really bad so that might be why we didn't naturally go for the more immersive wonderland in our interactions.

11:43 AM

(We eventually created a wonderland for lucid dreaming purposes lol, so I could have an environment in my dreams that it would feel natural for my tulpas to appear in)

I see

11:49 AM

And, if I understand correctly, both the host and a Tulpa can change the wonderland how ever they like and when ever they like?

Luminesce: Yeah, it's just imagination, though it's meant to (eventually) remain somewhat consistent (edited)

11:58 AM

Things about it can still change but usually the basic scenario itself doesn't

I see Thank you

Atlas || M&M

Do any of you guys have front-stuck hosts? How have you managed to get them out?

what is a front stuck host ?

6:54 PM

anyway, we're both stuck and feel empty here. do you guys have any idea how to maintain a lifelong tulpa for a lazy boring host ?

Try to put in at least a tiny bit of effort every day, even if that's just saying hi to your tulpa Put in a bit more effort every once in a while, and have a conversation with them You can also just proxy for them in servers, that's pretty easy and doesn't take a lot of effort imo

doing more research, i think i have better terminology now. can tulpamancy be used to make median aspects?

8:07 PM

or are they not tulpas

What's a median aspect

Sort of like a facet.

8:30 PM

I assume you mean someone who's not fully developed as a headmate, or someone who resembles an alter ego, or aspect of yourself?

8:31 PM

You could, I'd look into daemonism if I were you, it seems like it could be more fitting in terms of medianhood, then again, I'm nkt well versed in it.

8:32 PM

But even within tulpamancy, it's likely very possible to do so.

for thqt you would just focus on creating a “tulpal that is part of you, identifies with your body, with your story but that is a different part of you

Atlas || M&M

You could, I'd look into daemonism if I were you, it seems like it could be more fitting in terms of medianhood, then again, I'm nkt well versed in it.

Just change expectations, You can make "different" kinds of tulpas/entities really easily

Wouldn't it be easier to find an aspect of yourself than creating one?

Well you can use a tulpa to encompass an aspect of yourself Cuz then it'll start communicating with you instead of just existing with the rest of you

FlareonOFun

Wouldn't it be easier to find an aspect of yourself than creating one?

Usually i believe finding a way you are sometimes and assigning it to your tulpa can speed up the process as you dont have to learn to be a different and new way

12:29 PM

But people often want completely new tulpas

I can give tupla assistance if needed.

1:08 PM

Search aesural in google for some old info. That's my name.

I did help my host find his aspects of himself

Hi! I need help with possession We are trying to follow this guide: https://www.reddit.com/r/Tulpas/comments/pkeqkp/possession_by_a_tulpa_for_tulpas/ And well, I (host) can feel their "intention" of moving the body, but It's like they don't have the "strength" to do so. How can I help them? Are there other guides about this this that you guys could recomend?

r/Tulpas - Possession: By a Tulpa for Tulpas

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I've heard that that can happen when the tulpa doesn't have access to the muscle memory of the body Apparently if you guys keep practicing, eventually the tulpa will be able to access it and their movements will become fluid I've only ever done the bare minimum with possession though — i ended up learning switching first

we also do non possessive switching

Like you switch but the host still has control over the body?

What's the goal of learning possession here, especially if you can switch?

Kei Wendt

Like you switch but the host still has control over the body?

yeah

Yuka

What's the goal of learning possession here, especially if you can switch?

I want them to have more freedom while switching or talking here in discord

if you can switch you already know how to possess. You can’t switch and not have control over the body

Isn't switching way more freedom than possession?

Makikikikiki

I want them to have more freedom while switching or talking here in discord

Hm eishi has always had possession automatically when we switch Trying to switch while having control of the body might be easier for you since you already can switch mentally

Yuka

Isn't switching way more freedom than possession?

not for us it always feels like they want to do something, so I, the host, have to do it for them

3:51 PM

but they want to be more independent

Hm, if you have to do it for them that sounds like it wasn't a switch?

as I said, it's called non possessive switching

If you can already semi-switch, full, possessive switching might be easier to learn than possession (edited)

so how can we learn to do it?

you aren’t switching

the art of letting go and staying out of the way

Makikikikiki

so how can we learn to do it?

We learned switching by me imagining myself as eishi, and imagining me stepping back and eishi stepping forward to take control With just a bit of concentration that's how we do it We didn't need a guide or anything So maybe if you do it like that your tulpa will be able to have control of your body

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you aren’t switching

I mean, their mental processes could've switched with the host still not letting go control of the body

When I heard about non-possessive switching and possessive switching previously, it sounded like the former is what the (current) tulpa community calls switching. And the latter is feeling like you're watching while the body does stuff you can't control

I mean, their mental processes could've switched with the host still not letting go control of the body

@Kei Wendt - jump id call that a form of possession, it’s certainly not switching

yeah it does sound like a level of what you would clinically l depersonalisation

3:59 PM

call*

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I mean, their mental processes could've switched with the host still not letting go control of the body

@Kei Wendt - jump id call that a form of possession, it’s certainly not switching

Fair

3:59 PM

To me it seems like half-switching or depersonalization without body switching

try pendulum, but as you look at the pendulum swinging let the tulpa make wider and wider moves

4:00 PM

of your hand

4:00 PM

start with usual stuff just asking tulpa to move the pendulum and them let go and stay out of the way for them to move your hand more and more to get it swinging more widey

4:01 PM

widely

oh that's a good idea

4:01 PM

will try it rn ❤️

4:01 PM

thx guys

Kittikatty do you have a progress report on the forums by chance?

@fourfiction - jump no i don't, why?

progress reports are cringe, we hid ours

Luminesce: Looking back at your younger self can be pretty hard lol, yeah (edited)

exactly, you couldn’t force me to read that old shit

Wait people make progress reports and put them on the forums?

there’s a whole part of the forums just for that

it's a bit journaling with a pinch of exhibitionism, nothing wrong with that

cringe, your cringe

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

it's a bit journaling with a pinch of exhibitionism, nothing wrong with that

Yeah that's fair I guess i just never thought of it though, i figured it would be too stressful to log progress

The Progress Reports board has been one of the forum's biggest draws since day one of it existing

4:44 PM

https://community.tulpa.info/forum/12-progress-reports/

Progress Reports

A place to record progress with your tulpa.

i was only discussing my progress with friends (however it was therapy progress, not tulpamancy lol), i don't see much value in publishing stuff like that, but also no judgement for people that did it

Luminesce: In short, a lot of people really like being able to read how other people started out, what problems they faced and how they overcame them (or if they didn't), and what success they eventually had (edited)

4:45 PM

Of course, the forum hasn't been very active in recent years so PRs aren't as bustling with replies as they once were.

I use them because my memory is ass

4:54 PM

But I totally see how people would hate PRs. I remember a bit issue with them years back was people comparing progress and feeling like they weren’t progressing comparatively

4:55 PM

My old PR is def cringe as hell lol I was 16. Pretty sure I got it deleted too.

Yuka

Isn't switching way more freedom than possession?

Noone agrees on the definition because those terms make no sense

We logged ours privately

4:59 PM

Ben reads his old writings and it feels like a totally different guy.

@fourfiction is there a reason why you asked me specifically?

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

Noone agrees on the definition because those terms make no sense

Then use whatever words you prefer and teach Maki how her headmates can have full control

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

Noone agrees on the definition because those terms make no sense

Luminesce: The experiences are pretty dang clear to me. It can be hard to describe experiences to people who have no point of reference, though. (edited)

5:04 PM

Possession = Your tulpa controlling part or all of your body instead of you Switching = The "person" the human being is is someone else entirely

Yuka

Then use whatever words you prefer and teach Maki how her headmates can have full control

She already got advice, i woudnt have known what to say. Just wanted to do that puntualization.

Reisen

Luminesce: The experiences are pretty dang clear to me. It can be hard to describe experiences to people who have no point of reference, though. (edited)

Well, each person seems to use the words in a completely different way...

what lumi described seems to me what is most commonly understood as switching and possession

Reisen

Possession = Your tulpa controlling part or all of your body instead of you Switching = The "person" the human being is is someone else entirely

Also, those definitions are really ambiguous, if you want to give those words a "definition" i think you should describe how they feel rather "what they are"... (edited)

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

Well, each person seems to use the words in a completely different way...

Luminesce: The way I use them is the correct way, if that helps. (edited)

Reisen

Luminesce: The way I use them is the correct way, if that helps. (edited)

Wow... Thank you lol

You just have to keep correcting people to using them the same way, until we all do.

Noone agrees on the definition because those terms make no sense

@Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) - jump switching is when someone has the same level of control as the host does, hence calling it switching. You are switching positions. So if you are ‘switching’ but don’t have full control at the same level as the host you aren’t switching

5:08 PM

so switching but unable to move the body isn’t switching

Luminesce: My normal description of switching is "The host becomes equivalent to a tulpa, and the tulpa becomes equivalent to the host" (edited)

5:08 PM

It's kind of annoying that people can't just understand that at face value and have to ask weird specific questions.

Reisen

Luminesce: My normal description of switching is "The host becomes equivalent to a tulpa, and the tulpa becomes equivalent to the host" (edited)

That is equally as ambiguous though.